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风车的翅膀 - 2/20/2006 4:09:00 PM
记者克韩报道 对于阿森纳的范佩西来说,皇马是一个迟到了近4年的对手:2002年,他所效力的费耶诺德在战胜多特蒙德赢得联盟杯后,又要在欧洲超级杯上迎战冠军杯得主皇马;但时任费耶诺德主帅的范马尔韦克,却在对皇马的比赛中弃用了范佩西。当时费耶诺德正在土耳其打一场冠军杯资格赛,范帅要换当替补的范佩西上场,但早就和范帅不和的荷兰小将的肢体动作却展示了诸多不满。赛后,球队赶往摩纳哥参加超级杯,范佩西一个人却被赶回了家。

  范佩西回忆说:“费耶诺德非常非常粗鲁地剥夺了我迎战 皇马的机会,这是我为什么希望在21日对皇马的比赛中上场的原因。想像一下你才19岁,才当了职业球员没几个月,他们这么对你。皇马是那时世界上最好的球队,一个球员最大的考验。能和齐达内较量是我的梦想,他是如此出色,他的第一脚控球,他的视野……我对他非常尊重,比尊重贝克汉姆还多。最近我受伤了,争取能在伯纳乌复出是我的任务。这将是我一生中最重要的比赛。”

  范佩西的母亲是画家兼珠宝设计师,父亲则是现代派雕塑家,这让范佩西继承了诸多艺术家的不羁天性。在学校里,他因为不守纪律而经常被罚站走廊,因此和40来岁的看门人反而结成了好友。范佩西回忆说:“如果你只有十五六岁,你会想去夜总会,但我的这个看门人朋友劝我不要去那种地方,‘那些地方都是垃圾。’我倒不是那种对老师大吼大叫或者说粗口的坏孩子,我是那种总会回嘴的坏孩子,我想这会让老师难受,不过我对他们还是尊重的。”

  在费耶诺德,他和范马尔韦克闹到不可开交,范佩西也因此和媒体结下了梁子,至今很少接受专访:人们开始攻击我的父亲,我那时才19岁,刚刚进入成人世界。而几个月后我表现很棒时,同一批人又开始赞扬我,从那以后我就不太在乎他们怎么写了。荷兰和英格兰不同,当博格坎普为荷兰踢得很棒的时候,依然有人说坏话,为什么荷兰人看东西总是那么负面呢?”

  到阿森纳之初,范佩西也爆脾气不改,12个月前他曾在对南安普敦的比赛中愚蠢地吃到了红牌。中场休息时主教练温格还特意提醒过已经有牌在身的他要小心,范佩西回忆说:“赛后他没有咆哮,他只是问我,‘如果你希望能够打到顶级,必须成长改变。’我说;‘那我该怎么改变?’他说:‘我没法告诉你,你自己去摸索。’主教练很聪明,他知道如果他说的话,我可能过一周就忘掉,但如果是我自己发现的道理,会延续更长时间。从此后我成熟了,我要尽一切努力取得成功。我去训练场看老球员们的表现,比以往更加职业。”

  让范佩西最佩服的老将当然是同胞兼队友博格坎普,上周他刚刚带着自己的小妻子与博格坎普夫妇共进晚宴:“我从来没有想过和他相比,这让我尴尬,因为他比我厉害多了,每次如果他取代了我的首发位置,我都没有任何怨言。如果我是主教练,我会每场都用他。你们记者都应该听听博格坎普说话。他很聪明,每天都在思考足球。他得到了每个人的尊重,能向他学习真是我的幸运。有时我会很顽皮,给他传一个很难的球,然后说,‘哦,对不起丹尼斯。’但他甚至看都不看就把球稳稳控制住!”

  但现在阿森纳更需要的是年轻的范佩西,自他受伤缺阵以来,枪手的成绩直线下滑,上轮对利物浦的联赛补赛就可以看到:亨利只能从阿德巴约的头球摆渡中得到皮球。范佩西的态度也更加成熟了:“去年12月对切尔西那场比赛,我攻入了一个被吹越位的球。但这球100%是好球,我对此很失望。他们后来进了第2个球,这让我很难受。当时我想铲人了,但我后来想,‘拿到红牌会让球队更加困难,我应该继续按照自己的方法踢。’1年前我肯定直接下脚了。”

  去年夏天的强奸事件中,范佩西得到了俱乐部全力支持,这让他最近续下了到2011年的新约:“我们就谈了2天合同,事情很简单,这也算我对俱乐部说声谢谢。这里就像个大家庭,我知道其他俱乐部没有这种气氛。我相信阿森纳有美好的未来,我最近就对一个朋友说,‘别担心,等两年再看阿森纳’。”


zergling - 2/20/2006 4:22:00 PM
呵呵,希望你尽快成长成为锋线的尖刀!!
枪手风之子 - 2/20/2006 4:22:00 PM

好样的,小伙子,喜欢他那句“等两年再看阿森纳”,说明什么,说明他对自己还有其他年轻人的信心,R9,F15,S20,AD25,D2,W32加油!

同样的,也正如他所说,齐丹和老冰的确是老一辈球员中基本功最扎实,踢球最有灵气最艺术的大师级人物……

老冰今年就退了,齐丹很可能也在下赛季结束退役,如果你是阿森纳或者皇马的球迷,那么各为其主,但如果你是中立球迷,请珍惜这最后的艺术盛宴吧!

[此贴子已经被作者于2006-2-20 16:27:57编辑过]

风车的翅膀 - 2/20/2006 4:23:00 PM
好久没消息了,终于有点消息了~~~[em01]
枪手风之子 - 2/20/2006 4:25:00 PM
据说他的脚趾伤病可能使他错过这场比赛,这个伤好像是上次脚趾骨折复发,所以比较麻烦[em11]
风车的翅膀 - 2/20/2006 4:27:00 PM
老冰和齐丹搞不好要一年谢幕了...更加要珍惜这场比赛了...[em13]
枪手风之子 - 2/20/2006 4:31:00 PM

感叹岁月无情啊……

老冰退下去后,当年我最喜欢的几个球星就全都不在了

虽然我觉得现在的球星也很厉害,所谓76一代,维埃拉,范尼,托蒂,舍瓦,还有77年的亨利,也很厉害,但是他们就是无法给我老一辈巨星的震撼

henryhenry - 2/20/2006 4:31:00 PM
望眼欲穿的等他啊
Bergkamp - 2/20/2006 4:46:00 PM

他会是下一个艺术家

因为遗传基因。。。。

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grantwewe - 2/20/2006 4:56:00 PM
老子最爱他的了
skybb - 2/20/2006 6:02:00 PM
以下是引用风车的翅膀在2006-2-20 16:08:35的发言:

‘别担心,等两年再看阿森纳’。”


 

要的就是这一句!!!

强烈支持,话说回来,既然已经是阿森纳的球迷,即便球队战绩不理想,我还是会一如既往地支持,拿不了联赛冠军又如何?没有关系,只要是阿森纳的比赛,我仍然每场必看。

 

枪手赵云 - 2/20/2006 6:03:00 PM
如果亨利走了,进球只能寄望你了.[em02]
金发蓝眼 - 2/20/2006 6:07:00 PM

好样的.

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无尽藏 - 2/20/2006 6:21:00 PM
我喜欢这个年轻人[em03]
Pires_7 - 2/20/2006 6:27:00 PM
唯一看到希望的年轻球员
炀炀 - 2/20/2006 6:36:00 PM
偶们的范大将军!~[em04][em04][em01][em01]
grantwewe - 2/20/2006 7:09:00 PM

   范佩西的态度也更加成熟了:“去年12月对切尔西那场比赛,我攻入了一个被吹越位的球。但这球100%是好球,我对此很失望。他们后来进了第2个球,这让我很难受。当时我想铲人了但我后来想,‘拿到红牌会让球队更加困难,我应该继续按照自己的方法踢。’1年前我肯定直接下脚了。”

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正品蓝风 - 2/20/2006 7:16:00 PM

一年前我早就下脚了。。。

[em01]
炀炀 - 2/20/2006 7:27:00 PM

这句话有点像退出江湖的古惑仔....一年前我早就砍你了!!!!!!!!!!!

[em01]
zhbob13 - 2/20/2006 8:08:00 PM
这场应该可以上了吧。。。。
波斯猫winni - 2/20/2006 8:16:00 PM

范范~~~

多希望周三凌晨可以看到他呀~~~加油~

aarongoodfella - 2/20/2006 8:46:00 PM
范佩西——又一个荷兰字头诞生了![em03][em03][em03]
cloudlgr - 2/20/2006 10:36:00 PM
TMD..看完我都想哭了。。不过他真的成长的很快。
圣之子 - 2/20/2006 10:41:00 PM

RVP绝对是人才啊,续了那么长的约啊,这我就放心了!

RVP是年轻一代的代表!就是有时候还是毛躁了一点,不过已经成长很多了!

jerrylkk - 2/21/2006 1:05:00 AM
今季的球衣就烫你的名字
上午八点 - 2/21/2006 11:04:00 AM
以下是引用风车的翅膀在2006-2-20 16:08:35的发言:

  让范佩西最佩服的老将当然是同胞兼队友博格坎普,上周他刚刚带着自己的小妻子与博格坎普夫妇共进晚宴:“我从来没有想过和他相比,这让我尴尬,因为他比我厉害多了,每次如果他取代了我的首发位置,我都没有任何怨言。如果我是主教练,我会每场都用他。你们记者都应该听听博格坎普说话。他很聪明,每天都在思考足球。他得到了每个人的尊重,能向他学习真是我的幸运。有时我会很顽皮,给他传一个很难的球,然后说,‘哦,对不起丹尼斯。’但他甚至看都不看就把球稳稳控制住!”

  但现在阿森纳更需要的是年轻的范佩西,自他受伤缺阵以来,枪手的成绩直线下滑,上轮对利物浦的联赛补赛就可以看到:亨利只能从阿德巴约的头球摆渡中得到皮球。范佩西的态度也更加成熟了:“去年12月对切尔西那场比赛,我攻入了一个被吹越位的球。但这球100%是好球,我对此很失望。他们后来进了第2个球,这让我很难受。当时我想铲人了,但我后来想,‘拿到红牌会让球队更加困难,我应该继续按照自己的方法踢。’1年前我肯定直接下脚了。”

  去年夏天的强奸事件中,范佩西得到了俱乐部全力支持,这让他最近续下了到2011年的新约:“我们就谈了2天合同,事情很简单,这也算我对俱乐部说声谢谢。这里就像个大家庭,我知道其他俱乐部没有这种气氛。我相信阿森纳有美好的未来,我最近就对一个朋友说,‘别担心,等两年再看阿森纳’。”


 

我很感动!是真的~~

我很开心我们的年轻球员让我看到了阿森纳重新崛起的那一天!

BERGY,带带VAN PERSIE~因为,枪手球迷,都真的很看好他!~~~~~~

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上午八点 - 2/21/2006 11:10:00 AM
以下是引用grantwewe在2006-2-20 16:55:36的发言:
老子最爱他的了

等BERGY退役了,老子也是!哈哈!

原谅我讲粗口了,但是我想,我的心情,大家都能明白!~~~

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雾都孤儿 - 2/21/2006 11:11:00 AM

原文:

The Sunday Times February 19, 2006

Young Gunner
JONATHAN NORTHCROFT

Robin van Persie is desperate to be fit to play Real Madrid on Tuesday, having been denied the chance four years ago

Friendships are often formed between people thrown together. At a school in Rotterdam one misbehaving kid was excluded from class almost daily. So often was he sent to stand in the corridor that he bonded with the school janitor. Robin van Persie was 14 at the time and Sietje Moush, the caretaker, in his 40s, but they grew to be mates. Moush is Dutch-Moroccan like Bouchra, the girl who became Van Persie’s “best friend” — and wife.
Moush would keep Van Persie out of trouble. “If you’re 15, 16, 17, it’s a difficult age. You start wanting to go out, to clubs or whatever, but my friend made sure I never did. He’d say, ‘Those places are rubbish’, and I believed it. He was smart,” Van Persie says. He committed himself to football and even school discipline improved. “When I was sent out it was never because I yelled at the teacher or used bad words. I was more the wise guy, taking the piss. I always had something to say back to the teacher, which I’m sure was frustrating for them, but I always had respect.”

So he was not – is not — a real rebel. Twelve months ago he may have struggled to make that argument. It’s a year ago this week that Van Persie incurred one of the dumber sending-offs in Premiership history when, in a crucial game against Southampton, with Arsenal still contending for the title, he was warned by Arsène Wenger at half-time to be careful because he’d been booked.

What did he do? Went straight out and got a second yellow card for lunging at Graeme Le Saux. Southampton fought back from 1-0 down to draw and Wenger did not conceal his wrath. He told Van Persie to take a look at himself and decide what he was about.

“He didn’t shout or say I was wrong. He just opened up a question,” the player recalls. “He said, ‘If you want to go to the top level, you have to change something’. I said, ‘Okay, what?’ He said, ‘I’m not telling you, find out for yourself’. So I went away and asked myself what I wanted from football. The manager was very clever. He thought if he told me what I needed I might forget it in one week, but if I figured it out myself, maybe it would take longer, but it would stay in my mind. I matured. I decided from then on I’d do everything to be successful, go to training and watch how the older players do it, become a lot more professional than before.”

Arsenal’s 2-0 defeat against Chelsea in December provided evidence of Dutch reformation. “I scored a goal that was disallowed (for offside) but it was a 100% goal and I was disappointed. When they scored their second at that moment, I felt very frustrated. I was thinking, ‘If the ball is between me and another player, I will make the tackle very hard’. But then I thought, ‘Don’t do that’. I was on a yellow card already and a red card would have made things more difficult. ‘Take it easy, just play, that’s the only way you can get Chelsea back’, I thought. A year before I’d have made the bad tackle.”

The Southampton indiscretion came when Van Persie was still struggling to shake off the troublemaker tag given him by Bert van Marwijk, his former coach at Feyenoord, and he admits a year ago he found himself “at a turning point”. He chose the right path to such an extent Wenger now believes he can be a saviour. Though Van Persie was unable to play in a closed-doors match against Reading on Thursday at which Wenger wanted to test his fitness, the manager is holding on to a small hope he might make a comeback against Real Madrid.

Van Persie has nursed a broken toe since his right foot was trod upon against Cardiff on January 7, and though he subsequently scored a gorgeous free kick against Wigan and took part in two further games, he has been rested since playing against West Ham on February 1, his foot so painful that a week ago he was unable to wear football boots even after cutting a gap in one to make room for his toe. At 22, he was playing his best football for Arsenal before his lay-off, winning player of the month for November and scoring eight goals in eight games.

“It’s frustrating because the way I was feeling I wanted to play five matches a week, I felt I could take on anyone. Then I’m stopped because of a stupid injury. To return in the Bernabeu is not just a target but a mission. It would be one of the biggest games in my life. I’m working very hard to play because there’s a double thing, for me, with Madrid.”

This harks back to one of the several unhappy episodes he endured under Van Marwijk, who treated him with extra-harsh discipline. Van Marwijk believed it would keep a young star in check but it proved the wrong approach to take with somebody as independently minded as Van Persie and destructive for player, coach and club.

When Van Persie and Arjen Robben were teenagers, Johan Cruyff picked Van Persie as the greater talent, Holland’s best youngster in a generation. Yet when the pair moved to England as 20-year-olds in 2004, PSV Eindhoven were able to recoup £12m for Robben, Feyenoord just £2.75m for Van Persie. It was because of how Van Marwijk had talked down Van Persie’s reputation and the fact that the player had refused to sign a longer contract because of relations with his club.

Van Persie, then 18, was in the Feyenoord side which beat Borussia Dortmund in the 2002 Uefa Cup final but was dropped when Feyenoord faced Real Madrid in the Super Cup.

Three days earlier Van Marwijk had taken issue with Van Persie’s body language when he was asked to warm up as a substitute in a Champions League qualifier in Istanbul.

While Feyenoord stayed in Turkey to fly to Monaco for the Super Cup the next day, Van Persie was ordered straight home to Holland. “Feyenoord took Real Madrid away from me very, very rudely,” says Van Persie, “and that’s why I want to play on Tuesday.

“Imagine you’re 19, you’re only a few months as a professional and they do that to you. Real were the best in the world then, the biggest test for a footballer, and it was my dream to play against Zinedine Zidane. He’s such an amazing footballer, his first touch, his vision. I have big respect for him, more than for Beckham.”

Arsenal need Van Persie to make the game. They have slumped since his injury troubles started and his importance was demonstrated against Liverpool in midweek when the only way Wenger’s players could devise getting the ball to Thierry Henry was via the head of the gangling Emmanuel Adebayor. Henry, Freddie Ljungberg and Robert Pires need a different kind of pivot for their counter-attacking runs to revolve round — Adebayor is only ‘the new Kanu’ after all. Wenger has always seen in Van Persie another Dennis Bergkamp.

Van Persie’s eyes shine whenever Bergkamp is introduced to the conversation — usually by him. “To be compared with Dennis embarrasses me. During my Feyenoord time one guy played ahead of me and I thought I could be more important to the team than him but I have never, not once, had that feeling when Dennis is playing. My feeling is he’s a much better player than me. If he plays instead of me I accept it. I think if I was a manager I would play Dennis every match. What he’s done for 15, 16 years — you can’t compare my story to his.”

Excitedly he tells how he and Bouchra went for dinner last week with Bergkamp and his wife, Henrita. “You should listen to him, he’s clever. He thinks about football every day. I’m really fortunate to learn from a guy like that. He has no ego. He has everyone’s respect because of his charisma and the young guys on the training pitch — he has us eating out of his hand.”

The naughty schoolboy in Van Persie can still emerge. “Sometimes in training on purpose I’ll pass it really hard at him. ‘Oh, sorry Dennis’. And he’s got such skill he kills the ball! Doesn’t even look at it! Doesn’t notice! At Feyenoord some older players took it easy and as a young guy you think, ‘Today my knee is hurting so I’ll not go hard’. Here there’s no chance of that. You see Dennis, Thierry or Robert always giving 100%.”

He is not exactly like Bergkamp, though. They share an instinct to drop off a main striker, get on the ball and shape a game, but there is more emphasis in Bergkamp’s play upon team movement and the killer pass, in Van Persie’s on dribbling and individual expression. He may have his parents to thank for that.

Both are artists. José Ras, his mother, is a painter and jewellery designer who also teaches children with special needs. Bob, his father, is a sculptor who specialises in using discarded newspapers and other waste materials to construct football crowd scenes and has just completed a special commission — a giant frieze for his son’s new house in Enfield.

After his parents divorced it was Bob he lived with, growing up in an artist’s den. “When I was younger my parents encouraged me to be creative, to draw and play games to expand my mind. They wanted me to be an individual. But it turned out I’m rubbish with my hands.”

Perhaps what he does with his feet reflects his family’s creative streak. “Hmm, I don’t think so . . . maybe a bit.” Van Persie believes he was more influenced by the football he played in Kralingen, the working-class, multi-ethnic area of Rotterdam where he spent his boyhood. “My left foot is definitely from the streets. Football can be like art. For example, when I’m playing I can really enjoy the football game, the noise, colours. To play for a big club in a great stadium, that’s beautiful, very beautiful.”

Van Marwijk’s criticisms sparked negative press coverage of Van Persie in which even his parents were targeted. “They took my dad and painted him very black. I was 19, I’d just come into the real world, and it was hard. Then a few months later, when I had a good period again, I thought, ‘These people who absolutely hammered me are writing great things about me again’, and since then I haven’t cared what they say. That’s why I don’t give many interviews.

“Holland’s a different country to England. When Dennis was playing fantastically for Holland, still people were saying bad things. Why do Dutch people look for the negative? Now I don’t even bother about what they’re writing.”

Van Persie’s dislike for the press has only deepened since he spent two weeks in a Rotterdam police cell last summer after allegations made by a former beauty queen. He was released without charge but the 100% support he enjoyed from Arsenal at the time was not replicated in the media. He recently signed a new contract tying him to Arsenal until 2011.

“Talks were over in two days, it was very easy, I wanted to stay and show faith in the club. It was a sort of thank-you for what Arsenal have done. They stood by me and believed me, and showed their support. It’s a big family here. I have the feeling some other clubs do not have this atmosphere.”

Bergkamp, who leaves at the end of this season, may not be the only senior player absent when the club moves to Ashburton Grove. These are uncertain times not seen before during Wenger’s reign, but Arsenal have at least one optimist.

“Dennis going will be difficult but when you lose big players like Patrick Vieira, that’s football. You can speak about it all day long but it’s football. If most of our group, especially the young players, can stay together, there’ll be a big future for Arsenal. I had a chat with a friend about it. He said, ‘Ah, it’s not going so well’, and I said, ‘Wait, give it two years’.” Arsenal, though, could do with their form back — and Van Persie — in two days’ time.
十年灯 - 2/21/2006 3:30:00 PM
小范好样的,赞一个的说。
roaking - 2/21/2006 3:34:00 PM
RVP很有锐气的!!!我很喜欢他的!!!
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