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金戈铁马 - 2/15/2009 12:53:00 PM
那就看那些家长的态度了,把孩子当作摇钱树的也不少。另外从某个角度上看,给的价钱越高好像反映出态度越重视吧,假若不好到16岁再找另外好一些的俱乐部,似乎幼齿转来转去也不是稀罕的事情。
eddielu - 2/15/2009 1:00:00 PM
成年人谈判, 价格就能够反映俱乐部对你的重视度, 所以RVP这次一定要多争取一点, 对他以后在俱乐部发展是有好处的。
catkingj - 2/15/2009 1:24:00 PM
:oldem4: 楼上是不是发错帖子了?
37°2 - 2/15/2009 2:30:00 PM
你认为英超谁是最好的主教练,在人员管理和最好发挥自己手中资源方面?——Eamonn Holmes,电视主持人 弗格森:啊,那是令人崇拜的,这个问题。布鲁斯运用资源很出色,马丁-奥尼尔也很好,还有温格。你很难评估温格,因为他花了阿森纳很多钱在年轻球员和他们的工资上,而不是花在大牌球员身上。莫耶斯也干得很棒。我选他,大卫-莫耶斯,绝对是他。 http://bbs.sports.163.com/bbs/mu/119583981.html
枪手风之子 - 2/15/2009 2:48:00 PM
这句话是废话 阿森纳有多少可以称为年轻人的 又有多少是所谓大牌的 年轻人的转会费和工资加起来比大牌多太正常了 花了多少工资 没签合同的看威尔谢尔 75/周 签合同的看老虎 1W/周 都应该是各自最高的了 以这个标杆自己算 能有多少 另外 你指望弗格森正面评价温格 不可能 就像我基本不会正面评价弗格森一样 别忘了这十几年来是谁在阻止他独霸一方 哦 短期还有个阿木组合(阿布+牡蛎鸟) 现在牡蛎鸟也滚了 阿布也萎了 如果弗格森还能多活十年 那么未来十年依然只有温格能阻挡他
catkingj - 2/15/2009 6:33:00 PM
公寓的工程是分发给好几个承包商的。正常情况下是包工头发工资的,我的那个民工说是纯粹开玩笑,不过别看小参与公寓建设者这批人的工资,粗略算了算,也比较吓人的。
枪手风之子 - 2/15/2009 6:40:00 PM
原帖由 catkingj 于 2009-2-15 18:33:00 发表 公寓的工程是分发给好几个承包商的。正常情况下是包工头发工资的,我的那个民工说是纯粹开玩笑,不过别看小参与公寓建设者这批人的工资,粗略算了算,也比较吓人的。
不管多吓人 我们一定不可能自己招聘工人工程师成立建筑队来做这个事情 只要是和建筑公司签署合同 那就将支付工程款给对方 这笔钱无论如何是不会计入工资的 越来越糊涂了 想破脑袋也想不清楚这笔钱哪去了
catkingj - 2/15/2009 6:47:00 PM
有重大突破,可惜要下班回家,回家再说。
上海Edison - 2/15/2009 8:15:00 PM
这属于吊胃口 电视剧常用
helenclieanch - 2/15/2009 9:35:00 PM
以下为纯转帖:关于个人所得税税率变化。 Income Tax, N.I. and Tax Credit rates for 2008-2009 in the UK The government has published the 2008-2009 rates and allowances for Income Tax and National Insurance Contributions. Gov官方网站的信息:http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Nl1/Newsroom/Budget2008/DG_072925    从08年4月份开始的2008/09税年, 英国税收政策的变化,Tax free Allowances从07-08税年(age under 65)的£5,225调整为£5,435 也就是说 每年有 £5,435的收入是不需要缴税的,比上一税年增加 +£210 Income Tax personal allowances £ per year (unless stated)                                                                                                         2007-08                                                                                                         Change                                                                                                         2008-09                                                                                                                                                  Personal allowance (age under 65)                                                                                                         £5,225                                                                                                         +£210                                                                                                         £5,435    Income tax - taxable bands                 The starting rate of IncomeTax has been abolished and the basic rate has been cut from 22% to 20%creating a simpler structure of two rates .The tax bands have increasedin line with indexation.                                                                                                                                 2007-08                                                                                                         £ per year                                                                                                         2008-09                                                                                                         £ per year                                                                                                                                                  Starting rate: 10%                                                                                                         £0-£2,230                                                                                                          Abolished                                                                                                          -                                                                                                                                                  Basic rate: 22%                                                                                                         £2,231-£34,600                                                                                                         Basic rate: 20%                                                                                                         £0-£36,000                                                                                                                                                  Higher rate: 40%                                                                                                         Over £34,600                                                                                                         Higher rate: 40%                                                                                                         Over £36,000 基本税率 (应该大部分人是 Basic的吧 。。。) 从 22% 调整到 20%。。。      When will the new tax rates take effect?Thenew basic rate of income tax (20%) will take effect from 6 April 2008.In early May information will be sent to employers telling them how andwhen to action any changes resulting from the Budget. In particular thetax band width changes announced in this Budget will feature in thefirst pension or pay packet on or after 18 May 2008, backdated to thestart of the tax year. 2008年4月30日的新闻 Downing Street has dismissed calls for a rethink over the abolitionof the 10p income tax rate and denied it will offer concessions tocritics. ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7355901.stm )                                                      EFFECTS OF TAX CHANGES                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Winners:                                                                                                                                  Most people/ with incomes of £18,000+ Under £18,000 but aged 65+ and therefore eligible for higher personal allowances Under £18,000 but with young children and therefore eligible for child tax credits                                                                                                                                  Losers:                                                                                                                                  Under £18,000 and ineligible for working tax credits because under 25 Retired early and therefore ineligible for higher personal allowances Part-timer working insufficient hours to qualify for tax credits                                                                                                                                  Different personal circumstances may affect final amounts Source: PWC
上海Edison - 2/15/2009 10:17:00 PM
helen想说些啥呢...:default10:  没...没明白
catkingj - 2/15/2009 10:42:00 PM
helen的很深奥,对了,下午发现个新突破都忘记了,等下发上来
枪手风之子 - 2/15/2009 10:45:00 PM
还是举例子 阿德巴约8W/周 如果我算50%的税率(注意 以下数字皆随机产生 并非真实) 我们需要支付12W/周 而小朋友的家长 我算2000/周 40个家长才能赶上阿德巴约的薪水 而且更重要的是2000/周可能不需要纳税 或者讲税率很低 绝对不是8W的税率可以比的 何况普通人大概没有球星那样拿税后薪水的好处吧 薪资很可能还含税
catkingj - 2/15/2009 11:02:00 PM
04-05财务报表--关于工资 Wages of course are the Club’s main expense and these fell to £66m from £70m as players such as Keown, Parlour, Wiltord, Kanu and Jeffers left and the playing staff reduced to a 5 year low of 61, down from 72. The important wages to football revenue ratio fell to 57% from 60%. Payments to agents are believed to total £4m although this figure is not disclosed in the accounts. Unlike the Football League the FA Premier League has not adopted the policy of disclosing fees paid to agents. Salaries for directors, principally Keith Edelman and Ken Friar, totalled £1.76m (£1.57m). 工资当然是俱乐部的主要开支,由去年的70m下降至66m,由于像基翁,帕洛尔,维尔托德,卡努和杰弗斯等人离开球队人员由72减少至61人,5年来最低。 工资占足球收入的比率由60%下降至57%。支付给经济人估计有4m,但这笔费用没有公布在账目之中。董事会工资主要是基思埃德尔曼和弗莱尔总额为1.76m (去年为1.57m)
catkingj - 2/15/2009 11:03:00 PM
05-06财务报表--关于工资 However, as income has risen so have costs. Total operating expenses (costs) increased to £141m from £121m and exceeded total turnover by £4m (Last year total costs were £17m less than turnover) This however includes a non-cash cost related to amortisation of player contracts and depreciation of £18m (£17m) Wages were the principal cost component and were significantly higher at £83m (£66m) despite the average number of playing staff being reduced from 61 to 49, the lowest total since the 48 reported in 1997. Apparently, increases in “key” player contracts have been balanced by reducing the squad size. Bonus payments related to reaching Paris will have accounted for possibly £5m of this increase. The wages to football revenue ratio was a reasonable 63% (57%) Payments to agents are not disclosed but are thought to have been £4.4m (£3.6m) during the year. Salaries for directors, principally Keith Edelman, Ken Friar and David Dein, totalled £2.4m (£1.8m), a 33% increase. 但是,收入增加的同时成本也增加了。总的运营费用(成本)丛1亿2100万上升到1亿4100万,超过了总收入400万(去年成本比收入少1700万)。 不过,这包括了球员合同摊消(译者注:指过去已经支付,但是列入后面年度成本的项目)和折旧的非现金费用1800万(1700万)。工资是最主要的成本项目,有了显著增长达到8300万(6600万),虽然平均的球员数量从61人下降到49人,这是1997年的48人以来的最低数字。 显然,‘关键’球员合同金额的增加被球队人数的较少抵消。打入巴黎冠军联赛决赛的相关奖金占了这一增长中的500万,工资占足球收入的63%(57%),维持在一个合理的水平。 支付给经纪人的费用没有披露,但是被认为是440万(360万)。董事的工资,主要是凯斯.埃德尔曼,肯.弗莱尔和大卫.邓恩,一共是240万(180万)。 06-07财务报表--关于工资 The total operating expenses (costs) increased as well to £177.5m (£141m). Excluding the £14.7m (£2.7m) cost of property sales, total football costs were £15m lower (£6.4m higher) than football related income. Wages / staff costs were the principal cost component and increased by 8% to £89.7m (£83m) albeit with an increased number of employees (374 vs 312) relating to the larger scale of the new stadium operations. The key wages / football revenue ratio was a modest 51% (63%) and could fall below 50% in the present season as the wages of Henry and Ljunberg are unlikely to be matched by new joiners. The Managing Director, Keith Edelman, was the highest paid director at £1.16m (£1.04m) and at £22k per week is probably equivalent to an emerging first team player! No termination payment to David Dein had been agreed at the time the accounts were signed off in September 2007. Reduced activities in the transfer market appear to have reduced payments to agents to £1.2m (£4.4m) – “expenses not deductible for tax purposes”. No detail is given on “other operating (costs) charges” of £44.7m (£33.7m) which represent 33% of cash costs. Further analysis would be welcome. 球员工资/全体工作人员费用依然是最大的支出部分,比去年增加8%,为89.7m,(去年83m)。尽管有越来越多的员工(374比312)参与新球场的工作,球员工资于足球收入的比率是51%,去年为61%.
就一剑 - 2/15/2009 11:06:00 PM
:oldem3: :oldem3: 研究成咋样了???
catkingj - 2/15/2009 11:11:00 PM
[url=http://www.arsenaltrust.org/accounts.php]http://www.arsenaltrust.org/accounts.php[/url] 有兴趣的可以来这里看下,不过要下载个afc解读 翻重点就算了。:oldem4:
枪手风之子 - 2/15/2009 11:27:00 PM
嗯 看了茂往的翻译 大致有个了解了 看来我们大家的判断基本都意识到了这几点 到需要综合大家的观点 再剔除其中大部分 就能得出结论 明天上班有空仔细看一遍全文
helenclieanch - 2/15/2009 11:28:00 PM
高工资的人,年薪36K以上者,税率40%。折合过来应该700周薪,这还是税前。。。税后周薪就是420。 球员工资在700以上者,应该是绝大多数了。
helenclieanch - 2/15/2009 11:38:00 PM
爱迪生偶发刚刚那东西就是为了说明税率。。。
枪手风之子 - 2/15/2009 11:44:00 PM
嗯 看了茂往的翻译 大致有个了解了 看来我们大家的判断基本都意识到了这几点 到需要综合大家的观点 再剔除其中大部分 就能得出结论 明天上班有空仔细看一遍全文 这样看下来我基本放心了 看来是待摊费用的问题 如果是这样 只要我们坚持策略不动摇 很快我们的薪资水平就将大幅降低 事实上 茂往这里有个很重要的数据 就是工资与营业收入比例 我们可以看到 这个数字逐年下降 非常棒 整个英超的大环境貌似是这个比例逐年增高 已经像一把利剑高悬梁上
helenclieanch - 2/15/2009 11:50:00 PM
一个疑问,猫王的东西0506员工数量为49,怎么0708里面括号内的数字(应该是上年数据)成了312呢?
catkingj - 2/15/2009 11:53:00 PM
我认为49那个是队员,而312的是员工
枪手风之子 - 2/15/2009 11:57:00 PM
对 一线队二十多个 预备队十几个 EDISON的足校吃光用光拿光论宣告失败:oldem3:
xiu_song - 2/15/2009 11:59:00 PM
我们的工资营收比其实不容乐观的……
上海Edison - 2/16/2009 12:01:00 AM
失败了头不就更大了 怎么解释曼联的工资单和我们几乎相差无几这一现象呢?费迪南12万 含税岂不是18万?
xiu_song - 2/16/2009 12:03:00 AM
07-08年一线队的工资应该下降才对啊?
xiu_song - 2/16/2009 12:04:00 AM
英国的税收应该低的吧,记得以前说意甲税很高,还有缴税是个人的责任,不该由俱乐部交的吧?
catkingj - 2/16/2009 12:06:00 AM
其实在这里可以反应出很多问题 1,我们的球员人数由0405的72每年下降,到了0607只有49人。逼近我们97年最低的48人。这里反应出什么问题,大家可以发散思维全垒打。值得注意的是我们的成绩由0405年开始滑落,由97年开始上升。而俱乐部每年这样减少人员储备是不是能够说明些什么? 2,我们的总工资金额是04年70m--05年66m--06年83m--07年89m---08年超越1b 这样子也可以想象出很多东西,0506中间的10多m差距。 3,就是风姿提到的工资于足球收入的比率,那个数据很令人兴奋
大好头颅 - 2/16/2009 12:07:00 AM
不是个人责任了,一般球员合同都是谈的税后的收入。。。
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